Thursday, May 16, 2019

Montana Constitution Party Disbands As Post Milwaukee Fallout Escalates


by Former MTCP Chairman J.R.Myers

More fallout continues within the Constitution Party due to recent events at the NCM meeting in Milwaukee. After concluding a successful convention in Helena, MT on May 4, the MTCP has disbanded less than two weeks later. This was a direct result of the ongoing controversy within the National CP.


It began over a 24 hour period with the resignation of the newest member of the MTCP Central Committee, NCM Jim Buterbaugh.  On Tuesday 5/14/19, he texted, “I’m done.”


This was quickly followed by the resignation of the MTCP Vice Chairman, Tim Ravndal, and his wife as members. Jim and I have been down this road together before and we both have said that 'we are not interested in repeating the same exercise again'.


After advising my wife about where we are at in this venture, she advises me that she would like to submit her resignation as a member of the Constitution Party of Montana.

So...I now must take one more step here today.

I hereby submit my resignation as Vice Chair of the Constitution Party of Montana effective immediately.

I created the Face Book Page for the Constitution Party of Montana and I am going to close that page in 2 days. I will post a message that I am closing the page so those following will be notified.

The original Group page created is still there in the event the party wants to go down the path in place in the future.”

This was followed on Wednesday by a pronouncement from the MTCP Secretary Treasurer, Travis Orback that, "CPMT is dead. I’m open to looking at the new party. I might meet with the Park County Libertarians to see what they have planned. I may just fall back into and focus on my family life.”


Then on Saturday 5/18/19- 
All, 
I resign my position as Secretary/Treasurer of the group known as Constitution Party of Montana and its other name variations. I will not renew the P.O. Box and will hold onto the funds and distribute as I see fit. 
I did the work to secure the name with SOS. I did the work to acquire the funds from the previous party. I was in constant contact with Frank F to get this thing going. 
Now too many people are offended and I’m getting caught in the middle. 
The next people who want to try can do everything from scratch.

These events were a direct consequence of the inability of the CP to address the situation in a timely and lawful manner. The long CP history of splits and infighting was cited. The loss of the MTCP now appears to be a failed coup attempt orchestrated from within by the National CP Chairman and his allies, repeating the modus operandi used to interfere with and compromise the SDCP, the IDCP, the VACP, and countless others.

61 comments:

John - CP MO said...

J.R. I suspect it was in part, a result of your premature posting an "announcement" about the resignation of Randy Stufflebeam before any such resignation actually occurred.

The post was interesting in the sense that it claimed "surprise at the resignation", when in fact the surprise was that no such resignation had occurred.

Once again, these blog announcements are not official notifications, nor evidence of any official decisions by the Montana party. Perhaps you simply resigned as state chair?

On one thing we agree, the whole affair is truly sad.

But even in the sadness, there is some humor. That humor comes from reading the article TITLES that J.R. creates for his own posts about his own state party and his own status as Regional Chairman (to my knowledge, no formal or official notice of that resignation is on file either). Article titles that look BOLD until you realize that the author is writing his own biography.

If a person disbands their own state party, because their coup attempt failed, is that truly escalated fallout? Or is it a response to embarrassment of an epic fail?

If a person attempts to get states to boycott a national meeting, and fails to prevent a quorum for a meeting which actually turns out to be heavily attended, does the head of the failed coup have any credibility when he claims 'fallout' and posts resignation announcements for individuals who have not (and may never) resign?

If a person creates and escalates controversy within a political party, do they have any credibility when they subsequently claim 'fallout' as a reason for their own resignation?

J.R. if you disbanded Montana, then provide the minutes of your committee meeting, and the quorum attendance records (those same records you demanded from national).

If you really resigned, then provide evidence of the resignation letter you sent to national exec committee.

It's not that I don't believe you... it is just that there is so much dust from all the fallout and prognosticated resignations that I'd like to see the evidence of your claims... if it wouldn't be too much trouble.

Cody Quirk said...

Yep. I'm glad I left the CP long ago.

I don't like being on a sinking ship with religious narcissists.

John - CP MO said...
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John - CP MO said...

Cody,

Not to raise too fine a point on this, but doesn't writing 'sensationalized' articles that refer to oneself in 'third person' pretty much define narcissism?

Doesn't taking a party logo and posting it 'upside down' in what purports to be a 'news release' about oneself pretty much define narcissism?

It seems to me that J.R.'s actions epitomize narcissism. His articles have all been aimed at making this entire issue about himself, his affiliation with national, his position as Western Regional Chair, and the Montana state party (which he runs), and declaring that the national party is in 'free fall' because he has resigned.

As to your reference to religion; you brought it up. Not us. The party isn't promoting or advocating for any religion. We acknowledge the source of our origin and strength and simultaneously acknowledge your right to believe and practice whatever religion you desire.

I've always found it odd that some people focus on one of those and completely ignore the other. Other than a benediction (brief prayer) before our meetings and meals, there are no religious undertones in our meetings nor in our party. And those same prayers can be found at the beginning of many public sporting events. I truly don't understand all the fuss.

FWW said...

*I truly don't understand all the fuss.

Sure you do, Blazek. No more deflections. Answer the questions.

1. Why is the credentials report being kept secret?

2. Who specifically was counted for your alleged quorum?

3. Was CP-Idaho counted in order to create the quorum, yes or no?

4. Under what authority did you ignore the withholding of Montana's attendance proxy, and force the proxy upon them, to obtain your alleged quorum?

These are basic questions, Blazek. By publishing the actual list (as is expected in any normal parliamentary body) you could vanquish all foes there, Saint George. Rid of those nasty critics who refuse to genuflect to the secret cult known as the national CP. Why not publish it?

I believe I know why. It is revealed in your following statement: *If you really resigned, then provide evidence of the resignation letter you sent to national exec committee.

I suspect the national executive continues to claim that Idaho still remains affiliated, and that Idaho was counted even so. (National CP certainly falsely continues to count CP-Idaho under ballot access and under registered voters.)

If CP-Idaho was counted in that quorum, very grave concerns would exist, perhaps rising to a formal FEC complaint.

Given that Idaho's disaffiliation was by vote in a regularly scheduled, publicly announced state convention, in the presence of a professional news reporter (who subsequently published the results which were then carried nationally under the AP wire),

And given that the disaffiliation was decided by convention vote in the presence of a member of the national executive committee who had been dispatched to CP-Idaho state convention to dissuade the state party from disaffiliation (after an email letter was issued by the national chairman which directly intervened in CP-Idaho's state affairs, and directly sought to influence a vote on the state party's leadership as well as the disaffiliation, a communication wholly against the national party's Constitution),

And given that the national chairman is on record admitting he knew of Idaho's disaffiliation,

Then it is self evident that, if CP-Idaho being counted in any manner whatsoever within the national CP, then you are talking about voter fraud and an actionable cause.

Of course, who's to know? Being a secret back room organization, the executive committee continues to hide how it counts and reports the states...it invents them as needed to create an outcome it seeks. In this instance, a quorum.

So, Blazek, if the national CP is so pure of intent and above reproach in its actions, none of you should have any problems with publishing the credential list...unless of course national CP really is a secret personality cult masquerading as a public political party.

John - CP MO said...

Floyd,

You keep announcing that Idaho disaffiliated - via social media and blogs.
Why hasn't your state officially communicated that disaffiliation to the national party?
Why haven't you sent a formal letter of disaffiliation to the national party?
Are you keeping it secret?
Are you holding off on the notification so you can 'create' a controversy?
Send in your official notice of disaffiliation and I will gladly submit a resolution to the NC to accept your disaffiliation and make it official.

Given your refusal to notify the party Chair and Secretary of your disaffiliation, why do you denounce the party for leaving Idaho on their website as an affiliate?

As for counting Idaho in the 'quorum'.. was a representative from Idaho there?

Do you understand what a 'quorum' is? If Idaho didn't send a NC member, then Idaho can't possibly be "counted" toward reaching a quorum.

Or, are you are addressing whether Idaho was used as an affiliate in order to establish the requisite number of attendees needed to reach a quorum? If so, then you are arguing on the wrong side of the debate.

If the EC counted Idaho as an affiliate, then that would increase the required number by 1/2, making it more difficult to actually achieve a quorum unless you had a NC member present. Did you?

Whereas, not counting Idaho in the determination of what constituted a quorum would actually lower the requirement by 1/2, making it easier to reach quorum.

Are you actually arguing that the EC should have made it easier to establish a quorum? Or are you just arguing to argue?

To address your question #2 - the only states counted toward reaching the quorum were affiliate states who had NC members present at the meeting. We had attendance-quorum-proxies on hand but they were not required.

3 - To my knowledge, Idaho did not have anyone at the meeting who claimed to be a NC member from Idaho. So, no, Idaho was not included in the total count that established a quorum.

4 - This is truly a "do you still beat your wife question". Montana did not send in an attendance proxy. Montana had no NC members present at the meeting. Montana was NOT counted toward the total count that established a quorum.

At this point, I must conclude that you do not understand the difference between determining the "required" number for a quorum and actually establishing a quorum.

To determine the number required for a quorum, you must count "every" state affiliate and then divide by 2 and add 1. > 50%

Montana is recognized as a state affiliate. JR claims Montana is a state affiliate.
Therefore, of course Montana was counted when establishing the total number of state affiliates.

But, as Montana chose to boycott the meeting, and sent no NC members to the meeting, Montana was certainly not included in the count to determine whether a quorum was reached.

As for vanquishing you, that seems unlikely Floyd. You might be silenced on this bone, but you'd find another one to gnaw on.

Again, I challenge you to 'complete' what you started. Provide official notice to the national Chair (or Secretary) that your state has officially disaffiliated.

And then you can move on and get busy building your state and ignore the National CP as you won't have any reason to care about us.


FWW said...

*Send in your official notice of disaffiliation and I will gladly submit a resolution to the NC to accept your disaffiliation and make it official.

So, in other words, you and the national CP really are continuing to "count" CP-Idaho as an affiliate.

Interesting.

Legally, I should think it prudent that you say no more there, spokesman Blazek.

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John - CP MO said...

Floyd,

I notice that you dropped your full court press on the quorum issue.
I also notice that, as predicted, you do not accept being vanquished.

And, you are, as always, free to jump to whatever conclusions you desire. However, I made no claim at all regarding whether Idaho was, or was not, counted as a state affiliate.

You insist that I should answer specific questions.
Here are a couple for you:

1) Has IdahoCP ever send an official notification to the national party that it disaffiliated from national?

2) If not, by what method do you believe National should conclude that Idaho has disaffiliated? By reading angry blog posts? Is that how IdahoCP conducts their business?

3) If the IdahoCP has not sent official/formal notification to national, then why not? If you change the party Chair, do you assume the state of Idaho will "figure it out" or do you notify them by filing official documents?

As for offering me legal advice, are you a licensed attorney? Licensed to practice law in Missouri? If not, Is it wise for you to be offering legal advice?

And, once again, Floyd, your posts are really nothing more than snarky responses with no substance. It is unfortunate that you aren't directing your energy and intelligence toward a productive goal.

The fact that you claim to have disaffiliated from the National CP suggests that you would have no more interest in the party, yet you continue to pop into these discussions.

Perhaps it is because you didn't really disaffiliate? Just like perhaps JR didn't really resign. And perhaps he didn't really sabotage Montana and it didn't really "dissolve" and their bank account is not closed? Just like Randy didn't really resign even though JR published a "surprise resignation" announcement on this blog forum?

I see so many announcements, but haven't seen one single shred of official paperwork.

Cody Quirk said...

Best of luck with what's left of the CP, John; because people like you, Frank, and the others have done a good job driving out all the passionate talent and whole state affiliates that could've helped restore your party to greatness, or better.

JR was the ONLY leading voice at the Idaho CP's state convention that wanted the Idaho CP to stay with the national -and people in the CP like you, Frank, and others pushed a dedicated constitutionalist/patriot like him out of your party. Same with Floyd Whitley and his ballot-qualified state party.
And as we speak -a whole state affiliate has now disbanded, and other one is also going to decide on whether to stay or go soon.

However at this point, I honestly don't object to what Frank & company are doing to your party -because this is only making the Libertarian Party look good, especially among the constitutionalist crowd here. ;)

Cody Quirk said...

That being said though. If Frank or anyone has a detailed rebuttal or official statement to JR's claims & articles -ATPR will still feature them here in unedited context... Along with the counter-rebutting articles/posts that are likely to follow.

FWW said...


@ J.R. Myers

Sir, please review the following published news account of the announced 2018 State Convention of the Constitution Party of Idaho, held at Mountain Home on August 4th. [https://www.idahopress.com/news/elections/idaho-constitution-party-plans-state-convention-in-mountain-home/article_bb0ec95e-b0c0-5546-8abc-15d4524a3b32.html]

Is it true that you were invited to attend the CP-Idaho 2018 State Convention, as the representative of the national CP?

Were you welcomed in that capacity? You did attend as a member of the national CP executive committee?

You witnessed the Idaho party's vote in convention to disaffiliate from the national CP?

Idaho's newspaper of record carried the following report of the said state convention. https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article216160965.html In it, your presence was described as follows:

"Western region chairman J.R. Myers, acting as a spokesman from the national party, was the only person at the convention to speak in favor of remaining affiliated."

Do you disagree with this description of your presence there?

My question to you Mr. Myers is did you, being present and acting on behalf of the national CP, inform the national executive committee as to the result of Idaho State Convention's vote to disaffiliate from the national party?

To your knowledge, Mr. Myers, does any requirement exist within the national CP Constitution or Bylaws that a written notice of disaffiliation must be supplied by a state affiliate which has elected to cease relations with the national party?

If no such written requirement exists, Mr. Myers, would you agree that upon a vote of disaffiliation without stipulation, made by a state convention, that said disaffiliation has immediate effect?

In other words, does the national party have any authority whatsoever to direct the internal affairs of any state? To demand a letter of any kind from state convention once it has voted to disaffiliate? You do believe that a state affiliate has the right to decide with whom it associates, do you not?

To your knowledge, do the national CP Bylaws contain within them anything which indenture or incarcerate a state party into remaining bound, against its will, in the national party once the state convention has voted to cease its affiliation?

In other words does, in your opinion, a state party convention need to have "permission" to disaffiliate from the national CP under the national bylaws?

At the time of your direct involvement in the 2018 Idaho State Convention, Mr. Myers, did you believe that, by acting as Western States Area Chairman in witness to the disaffiliation vote by the Idaho State Convention, your witness was sufficient notice that a disaffiliation had been consummated by the state party in Idaho?

Are you satisfied, Mr. Myers, that proper notice of Idaho's disaffiliation was furnished to the national CP?

I need answers to these questions, Mr. Myers, to build a brief. Thanks for your cooperation.

John - CP MO said...

Cody,

I guess if "wishes were fishes" you'd have lunch in hand.

"What's left of the CP" just had one of the largest attended National Committee meetings on record.

If what you allege is true, then shame on JR for trying to interfere with the Idaho CP at their convention.
Do you see the #Irony in that? I do!

As for a 'whole state disbanding' .. my reading of the Blog post says 3 people resigned and the secretary made a declaration. Three people constitutes a state?

If 3 people resign and that 'disbands' a state - then it wasn't really a very big state, was it?

And, I have yet to see any official paperwork. Was the bank account closed? Was paperwork filed with the state to disband? What 'exactly' does disbanded mean? Was national notified so MT can be removed as an affiliate?

Given that JR was chair for MT, what does that say about his leadership in holding a group of 3 people together - or in growing the party in Montana?

Given that JR played a leading role in attempting to maliciously disrupt operations at the national level, and failed, what does that say about his commitment to the constitution?

He was in the minority.
He attempted to prevent a meeting from achieving quorum.
He failed.
He resigned as Western Regional Chair via Facebook (not officially).
He announced his party disbanding via blog post (not officially).

Cody, say all the good things you want to about JR (He can be a very nice guy) but these are not the acts of a constitutional patriot. His actions and his blog posts are the scorched earth policy of a (your word) narcissist who didn't get his way. His support for the party oscilates back and forth like a mood swing.

Nobody pushed him out. He attempted a coup and he failed. He posted an announcement of a resignation on behalf of someone else - who had not resigned. And then he had to delete that prognostication.

JR is obviously (and understandably) embarrassed. And the only way he can see to save face is to double down and scorch more earth to deflect responsibility for his own actions away from himself.

As for any 'official' response here in your blogs ... I wouldn't hold your breath. It might be how JR and Floyd conduct their state party business, but it isn't an appropriate way and it isn't how National CP does it.

All the best to you and your fellow hecklers.

John - CP MO said...

Floyd,

If the Secretary of State of Idaho attends your convention, and witnesses the election of a new Chair and Vice Chair... are you thusly absolved from having to file an official report with the SOS of Idaho and officially informing them of that change of status?

If a local news paper publishes an account of the convention and announces the election of the new Chair and Vice Chair... does THAT absolve you from having to file an official report with the SOS of Idaho and officially informing them of that change of status?

And, (this works both ways) given your suggestion that "no such written requirement exists" that mandates Idaho to provide formal notification to national that they have officially disaffiliated... are you aware of any mandate that says National must remove Idaho from their affiliate list without any official notification?

Are you aware of any requirement that National has any authority to 'act' on second hand news paper articles that announce Idaho's disaffiliation?

Me thinks you doeth protest too much. All you have to do is write a simple letter of "Notice of Disaffiliation" - as would be the proper and honorable thing to do in any business transaction where you intended to void a contract/commitment.

John - CP MO said...

Floyd,

The "Regional Chairmen" are elected by the states they represent.
They are the equivalent of your Senator.

As such, if you wish to assert that JR, as your regional Chairman, witnessed the convention and the dis-affiliation.. then it would be his job (as your pseudo senator) to make a formal and official declaration to the national party.

He would not have any authority to 'accept' such a disaffiliation on his own accord.

So, if you wish to file a FEC complaint against JR for not presenting your disaffiliation to national, that is between you and JR.

Good luck with that.

FWW said...

1) Has IdahoCP ever send an official notification to the national party that it disaffiliated from national?

Yes, via Mr. Myers, acting as Western States Area Chairman on behalf of the national CP. Further, Mr. Fluckiger himself acknowledged said disaffiliation in an interview as reported above.

BTW Re: *I notice that you dropped your full court press on the quorum issue.

Wrong. Where's the published and specific list, Blazek? Show me the math and the names.

FWW said...

*If the Secretary of State of Idaho attends your convention, and witnesses the election of a new Chair and Vice Chair... are you thusly absolved from having to file an official report...

No, because the requirement is laid out in the Idaho Code.

Tag, you're it, Blazek.

Now you show me, cowboy, where it is written in the Constitution of the national party or its Bylaws requiring any such written notice from a state convention which was held open to the dutiful national CP representative.

The national party knows full well (because they participated in it! and even were given the podium...twice!) that CP-Idaho is disaffiliated. That is sufficient "evidence". Period.

What you want to do is cover that up, to pretend that your national CP is bigger than it TRUTHFULLY is. You want to count CP-Idaho in your total, and thereby inflate your so-called ballot access. Then you post it on the website and pretend that Idaho's registered voter growth belongs to you. It does not.

There is NO integrity within the national CP. You have now proved as much.

FWW said...

Screw you, Blazek.

*He would not have any authority to 'accept' such a disaffiliation on his own accord.

You yourself don't have any authority to deny such a disaffiliation by a state convention.

FWW said...

Screw you, Blazek, you're inventing crap now.

You say: *As such, if you wish to assert that JR, as your regional Chairman, witnessed the convention and the dis-affiliation.. then it would be his job (as your pseudo senator) to make a formal and official declaration to the national party.

You show me in the written bylaws where any such "job" requiring this pseudo senator to do so.
As a mater of fact, show me ANYTHING in the national bylaws that delineate ANY responsibilities, job expectations or anything else from these States Area Chairs. Show me.

You're a reprobate liar now to be sure. Integrity?...My ass you have!

Cody Quirk said...

""What's left of the CP" just had one of the largest attended National Committee meetings on record."

LOL, you mean you actually had 50 people show up? Compared to LPNC meetings, and especially national conventions, these are really small beans.
Plus by losing ballot-qualified Idaho, your national voter reg. numbers dropped by several thousand (along with being on in one less state for 2020). Right now the numbers of the Nevada IAP alone is the only thing that's keeping the CP above the 50k mark.

"If what you allege is true, then shame on JR for trying to interfere with the Idaho CP at their convention.
Do you see the #Irony in that? I do!"

I didn't realize an apple was an orange. Yet this comment is exactly what I'm talking about when it comes to driving away talent and people that care about the constitution.
Still, you're making the LP look good, so have at it.

"If 3 people resign and that 'disbands' a state - then it wasn't really a very big state, was it?"

The fact of the matter that a large amount of your 'state parties' are a mere single individual/contact -and with the CP being off the ballot and nonexistent in Montana for a long time before JR came along, and the additional fact that there are many states that do not have any CP organization or 'contacts' at all -further undermines your argument here in attacking once loyal CP state affiliates that are packing up and leaving.

But again, keep at it. I'm not at all mad; if anything I find this dialogue very entertaining; its only helping the National CP die quicker.

"He was in the minority.
He attempted to prevent a meeting from achieving quorum.
He failed.
He resigned as Western Regional Chair via Facebook (not officially).
He announced his party disbanding via blog post (not officially)."

If he announced what he and his state party are doing, then they likely are going to follow suit in putting their actions in stone soon afterward. Plus with how fluid this situation appears to becoming -you might be eating these words later. We'll see.

"Cody, say all the good things you want to about JR (He can be a very nice guy) but these are not the acts of a constitutional patriot. His actions and his blog posts are the scorched earth policy of a (your word) narcissist who didn't get his way. His support for the party oscilates back and forth like a mood swing."

Speaking of narcissists, how is Frank Fluckiger doing these days? Is he stressed at all about the lawsuits and the infighting in the CP's ranks?

It's funny you bring up narcissists; while it is without question that every political party has them- it seems you have too many in leadership positions in your party, in fact you probably have GOP plants of the same character in the same positions too -especially since the National CP has itself to blame for the mess in South Dakota, which cost your state party ballot access there last year.

"As for any 'official' response here in your blogs ... I wouldn't hold your breath. It might be how JR and Floyd conduct their state party business, but it isn't an appropriate way and it isn't how National CP does it."

I should have figured. The National CP chooses silence and a blind eye on these serious PR matters. Unfortunately that approach is self-destructive; silence and ignoring such matters implies guilt & denial to a good amount of the general public that are paying attention. It also may imply that the critics doing all the complaining are correct and justified, and that your side either can't rebut their criticism, or must be to disorganized to put together any form of rebuttal.

However, as a LP member, I don't mind the approach the National CP is taking on these matters, personally; because it's only making my party look good and the best minor-party alternative in restoring constitutional government ;)

FWW said...

Where's the published credentials list, Blazek?

Why do you continue to hide it? That's a simple question, Ozzie.

The real question is: What else is in that credentials list that you don't want the public to know about?

After all, we had to drag out of you with forceps an admission that the national CP is continuing to count Idaho as still affiliated when each and every damned on of you know that's not true.

How many more lies must you CP cultists need to be caught in?

That poor little dog Toto! It's almost animal cruelty at this point! The little feller's been pulling back that drapery seemingly forever, so much so the little guys got cottonmouth and is worn completely out.

Come on Blazek, give the little feller a break!

Just admit that you and the national CP are merely puffed up balloon heads. That all the megaphones and smoke and pyrotechnics don't do a single damned thing to hide the truth that the national CP is indeed a corrupt, phony, blowhard.

John - CP MO said...

If we are to accept your disaffiliation via these blog posts and without a formal announcement from the party secretary (as would be the civil and honorable method), as you demand...

And leave it open for you to later claim that the National Party preemptively acted to disaffiliate Idaho without waiting for official notification from Idaho...

And accept your undocumented claim that JR did, in fact, present an "official letter of disaffiliation" to the National Executive Committee, and had the (undocumented) authority vested in him by the Idaho CP to do so.....

Then you have no status or standing to demand any records for any meeting conducted by the state affiliates of the Constitution Party USA.

***
Cody,

You said "If he announced what he and his state party are doing, then they likely are going to follow suit in putting their actions in stone soon afterward. Plus with how fluid this situation appears to becoming -you might be eating these words later. We'll see."

1) JR announced that Randy Stufflebeam had "resigned". But no such resignation had taken place, and still has not taken place. He didn't announce it as something that "might happen" he announced it as a "surprise" .. when it had not even happened. Clearly the resignation announcement was "staged" and poorly executed. The fact that it described the resignation as a "surprise" speaks volumes about credibility.

2) I don't know what words I would have to "Eat later". Even if Floyd sends an announcement to national, and JR sends a resignation to national, and JR sends a disaffiliation and disbandment notice to national, and even if JR closes their bank account... that will be something in the "future". I never said any of that won't happen. I've only noted that for all of the announcements - some have been obviously false (Randy's resignation - he texted me and said he had not resigned) and some have simply been unsubstantiated.

Subsequent substantiation doesn't negate my claim that they are, as of now, unsubstantiated.

As Floyd has now reverted to his name calling.. it appears we're done..

Again, best wishes to all.

FWW said...

Screw you, Blazek.

You say: *If what you allege is true, then shame on JR for trying to interfere with the Idaho CP at their convention.

Actually, Mr. Myers was invited for the express purpose of representing the national CP (invited out of the goodness of Idaho's over abundant generosity and good will).

If there's "shame" to be had, that's on the national CP for attempting to interfere with the Idaho state Convention. Why not condemn Fluckiger?...unless of course you really are nothing more that a damnable hypocrite.

Fluckiger definitely sent out a communication as national chairman seeking to interfere and do so the title of his official position. He was seeking to vote out current state leaders, vote in "compliant" state party officers (those who roll over on command, sort of like you); and of course by any means necessary to vote down disaffiliation.

His email could have been taken as defamation, since he certainly alleged that CP-Idaho deliberately "limited" publication of the state convention announcement. He stated that we kept "opponents" out by failing to notify. I've already proven long ago that that allegation was a crock of crap.

Proof of point: I just cited one major newspaper--Idaho Press Tribune--which carried the announcement to all. As did our official state website, and as did 250 local post cards mailed to the nearby adjacent counties to the state convention, etc. etc.

Anyhow, Ozzie, since you're so big on puffing up about who's "losing". Who lost that CP-Idaho convention intervention? That's right...your despot national chairman who is truth challenged probably as the affect of genetic ring chromosomes or something. Must be the salt in that lake water.

FWW said...

Again, screw you Blazek. I say you're a hypocrite, a liar, and evidently now a coward. You can dish it out, but damned sure can't take it.

Even after all of this, CP-idaho can be reasonable, and forgiving. We forgive the national CP for their wanton and willful corruptions. And we even will hold out a hand of friendship.

All you (the national CP) have to do to discuss re-affiliation of CP-Idaho?

Easy. Do (not just say you'll do) those 10 conditions we've already laid out. Do them first to demonstrate your good faith (assuming you can martial any). Prove that your corruption will be held accountable before the People who constitute the national party and our independent state parties.

As to giving up on the quorum? You're smoking dope, Blazek.

What are you hiding in that secret credentials report? Where is it? The names and numbers for the recent so-called quorum, Blazek. Produce them. Until you do, nobody's gonna believe a single word you puff up and bellow into your megaphone.

FWW said...

Yer full of crap, Blazek.

You say: *And accept your undocumented claim that JR did, in fact, present an "official letter of disaffiliation" to the National Executive Committee, and had the (undocumented) authority vested in him by the Idaho CP to do so.....

Show me where I said Mr. Myers presented anything, of any kind to the national executive. I made no such claim. I said he was a witness to the vote of disaffiliation, as an invited guest from the national CP, and was there with the knowledge and consent of the national CP to represent them.

Further, despite your freakish deflections, Idaho vested no authority in Mr. Myers of any kind. Show me where we did that. shoe me where I would ever even accept that we could vest any power as you allege.

Never mind. You can't, and I know you can't, because deep down all you are (as already point out) a common liar, an excuse maker for your Massa, a spinner who weaves concocted explanations not with the intent to reveal truth, but rather to cover it up.

When trapped, you won't stand your ground. You slither off, to join the snakes with whom you associate, in that deep dark back room, and there collectively try to figure out some other way to bullshit the People.

J.R.Myers said...

Yes, I witnessed all of the above, No, there is no requirement to notify the National Party in any particular format, or even to communicate with them further.

Cody Quirk said...

Hmmm, that indeed says a LOT about the nature of the CP's leadership and their loyalist supporters; they even blatantly lie when it suits them.

Cody Quirk said...

Plus they don't even want to set the record straight or issue PR rebuttals -they just want to let the general public paying attention to be in the dark and come to their own conclusions about what's going on.

But whatever; they're only hurting themselves.

John - CP MO said...

JR,

Glad to see you're here.

You are correct. there is no requirement.

Now, similarly, is there any requirement for national to remove affiliate status from otherwise credentialed states that withhold official notification of disaffiliation?

More to the point:
Given your public blog announcement that Montana has dissolved, would that be sufficient basis for national to remove Montana from affiliate status?

Or, if your blog announcement turns out to be similar to the post regarding Randy Stufflebeam's resignation, and your state party has not actually disbanded, what would the response be if national acted on your blog post?

Or, JR, would you consider it proper and honorable for a state Chair to notify national if their party disaffiliates? Or do you believe it is acceptable to assume national should act on 'eye witness accounts' and 'second hand information'?

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Point of information:
"1) Has IdahoCP ever send an official notification to the national party that it disaffiliated from national?"

Floyd replied "Yes, via Mr. Myers, acting as Western States Area Chairman"
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JR, did you (as Floyd asserts) provide official and formal written notification and documentation to national on behalf of Idaho and at their request, thereby conveying their request for national to accept their decision and no longer claim them as an affiliate state? If so, would you be willing to provide a copy of that here?

And, lastly, JR, in all of the National Committee and National Executive Committee meetings in which you participated, after IdahoCP voted to disaffiliate, are you aware of any instance where IdahoCP was counted in, as or toward a quorum?

I, for one, am not aware of any such instance; despite Floyd's going on and on about it. I've been attempting to help him resolve what he believes to be an issue by offering a way to force a resolution to a problem that doesn't exist and thereby obtain closure for his health sake.

FWW said...

The most galling thing about Blazek is he continues to repeat this bull about how CP-Idaho has only announced disaffiliation via "blogs" and internet chat.

It was "announced" directly to the national party official who was present and in witness of the vote. It could not have been "announced" any more directly that that.

Afterwards, I personally asked Mr. Myers whether he felt the disaffiliation ballot had been fair in the process on both sides. Mr. Myers told me "Yes." To paraphrase, he said he was not happy with the results, but the process was fair.

As for Blazek's crap about how I "refused" to send forward this alleged required letter to request disaffiliation in the National Committee, upon disaffiliation, CP-Idaho owes nothing, not even the time of day, to the national CP. That's true certainly after the manner in which the national CP treated CP-Idaho ever since the fight in the summer of 2015 over the corrupted use of inside party officers to blackout "non-insider" presidential campaigns and use the national website to promote the Draft Darrell crap.

Blazek simply got caught here on his lies here. So he boo-hoo-hooed all the way home to his pit.

He knows (and the national CP probably also knows) that the admission that they are continuing to count CP-Idaho as an affiliate is very likely going to bring, metaphorically speaking, diesel raining into their snake pit followed by a lit Diamond match.

FWW said...

Yer a friggin liar, Blazek.

Rather than answer the questions about the secret quorum report, you deflect by trying to move on to other subjects by a separate raft of questions and stupidly conceived so-called conclusions

Where are the names and the numbers for that quorum, Blazek?

More to the point, why are now, after over two years, so chaffed in the shorts about CP-Idaho?

You know why, and so do I. You know the national CP used a bogus and fraudulent procedure in attempting to include CP-Idaho in ANY numbers on national affiliates.

I believe you also know that that admission forced out of you here, might end up hanging the entire lot of you.

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John - CP MO said...

Floyd,

When you add words to something, you change the meaning.

At no point have I made any such claim that you "only" announced via blogs and internet chat.

And, not only have I not "admitted that national is continuing to use IdahoCp as an affiliate", I have actually denied any knowledge of any such thing.

I also did not ask if national was aware. I asked if you had sent notice to national. You replied that you had sent notice via JR Myers. But JR has not confirmed any such assignment given to him by you.

I'm left to ponder, by misquoting me and misrepresenting what I have said, does that make you the liar? Or just an angry bully that can't move on?

I'm not the one 'chaffed in the shorts' after two years. But you seem to be. I didn't bring up Idaho. I merely responded to your accusations with a solution.

Again Floyd, make of it all what you will. I have no doubt you'll make something of it. You are clearly stuck and can't move on.

FWW said...


*JR, did you (as Floyd asserts) provide official and formal written notification and documentation to national on behalf of Idaho and at their request, thereby conveying their request for national to accept their decision and no longer claim them as an affiliate state?

First, show me where I asserted anything regarding any "formal written" or "official provision". Mr. Myers' DIRECT witness of the disaffiliation vote as a member of the Executive Committee who was present and representing the national CP was ALL that was necessary on Idaho's part.

Second, your national chairman, admitted in a national news report, that he knew of the vote to disaffiliate. That he had "expected it". So, at that point none of you have any friggin excuses.

Why? Because the vote took immediate effect, having been decided by state convention under a ballot that was witnessed by the national CP itself. And indeed in a state convention which generously provided speaking time at the podium to the national CP immediately prior to the vote.

Third, CP-Idaho was and remains a sovereign state party. The national CP has NO power over this state party's internal affairs...and this is set forth within the national party's constitution too no less Period.

Therefore, CP-Idaho did not "request" a disaffiliation. We took up our sovereign and inalienable right of association, and DID disaffiliate. Idaho does not need your friggin' permission.

Fourth, we TOLD the national CP representative directly at the decision that we were disaffiliated. That ended the matter. Disaffiliation occurred just as soon as the ballot was counted and the results known.

fifth, it is not within the power of the national CP to deny a disaffiliation made by a state convention vote. Who the hell do you people think you are? You're going to do what? Chain us? Since when were Idahoans the slaves of any damned body? Screw you, Blazek.

If that is what you (as spokesman) and the national CP are tying to claim, then let's go to court. I'm sure the national CP needs another one.

Soon enough you people are going to establish a pattern of abuse that the courts cannot ignore, you stupid freak despots.

FWW said...

Again, screw you Blazek

You phony assed joke of a hypocrite. Too rich!

Here, this is all I need from you to prove that, your words:

"You are clearly stuck and can't move on.

FWW said...

Again and again, screw you Balzek.

*But JR has not confirmed any such assignment given to him by you.

We gave no assignment to anybody. We had no power to give or to assign. Nor did we need to do so.

We did. We disaffiliated. Period.

We took up our rights under the right of association. Unless, that is, your freaking CP groupie ass is going to claim that CP-Idaho does NOT have such a right. If so, then good luck trying to sell yer full-of-shit pillar about "Liberty".

None of you boys believe in that. It's quite evident, and you have continuously proven right here, Blazek.

CP-Idaho disaffiliated from the national CP by vote of the state convention. State Convention is the ultimate authority here. Period.

The disaffiliation was witnessed by the national CP's own representative, a gentleman whom they themselves dispatched.

You have all the "official" notice necessary, just as soon as CP-Idaho exercised our association rights and balloted the disaffiliation measure. End of story.

What you are trying to do, Blazek, is to cover up the ongoing LIES on the national website at least since August 2018 regarding Idaho as a ballot qualified member state party within the national CP. Why don't you do the right thing? Why do you continue to cover up and excuse and deflect. The national CP...IS corrupt.

You know damned well that ongoing lie about CP-Idaho still being "in" the national CP may actually subject the national CP to a ruinous charge.

You also know that there is no requirement imposed (or even possible TO impose) upon Idaho regarding any written letter to your dark back room snake pit called the national CP executive committee.

Show me that requirement in the bylaws, Blazek Show me. Your deflective questions will not move me off point.

Are you actually begging that this be put to the courts?

FWW said...

Not only is Blazek a lackie for freak CP despots, he's also a deranged paranoid.

Here's an example of his dumb-assed "logic"

*And leave it open for you to later claim that the National Party preemptively acted to disaffiliate Idaho without waiting for official notification from Idaho...

Wow. So, what the bright boy is actually arguing here?...

That there's some conspiracy afloat whereby CP-Idaho, by not sending a not-required "formal written" notice of disaffiliation, is somehow lying in wait to charge the National party at some later point when they disaffiliate us, which is to say, do what CP-Idaho decided to do?

Say what?

Who the hell wants to work THAT hard at the old reverse-reverse of the reverse psychology? Nobody in Idaho does. I don't know how much more goofy the nationalista CP can get beyond just hiring the Three Stooges.

Look boys, just do the right thing. Accept that CP-Idaho has disaffiliated. Remove Idaho from your deceitful ballot qualified map. And "move on" right Blazek?

I mean, which part of "by the vote of the state convention" does the genius not get?

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John - CP MO said...

Floyd,

Too many straw man augments to bother refuting.
suffice to say that I have said or claimed virtually none of what you just attributed to me. Most specifically I never suggested that any state had to "request disaffiliation".

But I do thank you for the lengthy posts that show your nature. They made for an interesting read and gave everyone a peek inside Floyd.

Be blessed sir.
Have a beer and lower your blood pressure.

FWW said...

What, so your dumb assed logic gets highlighted, and I'm supposed to have a beer?

Look, Blazek, you frigging cheapskate, its scotch, single malt.

If you don't have a clue, then at least have some class.

Krzysztof Lesiak said...

J.R. Myers is still listed as the Western States Regional Chairman on the Constitution Party's website: https://www.constitutionparty.com/about-us/executive-committee/

Cody Quirk said...

Fyi Chris, the CP doesn't always update their website right away.

J.R.Myers said...

BTW Did you catch the further criminal intent written by the Frankbot Former Sec/Treas Travis Orback saying he was keeping the bank account funds himself? Wow, there is over $500.00 in the MTCP account. What constitutes a felony these days? Sounds like criminal conspiracy. Just saying…

John - CP MO said...

Krzysztof Lesiak said...

"J.R. Myers is still listed as the Western States Regional Chairman on the Constitution Party's website: https://www.constitutionparty.com/about-us/executive-committee/"

Krysztof, Do you have a copy of an official or formal resignation?

To my knowledge the only resignation has been on Facebook and here in this blog. (There may have been other social media locations).

I remind you that we also saw a "Randy Stufflebeam resignation" posted here by JR which turned out to be (a hoax?) false.

If the exec committee hasn't received a resignation, why would they take action?
If JR didn't truly resign, all he would have to do is delete his posts here (like he deleted the false Stufflebeam Resignation post) and claim it never happened.

And while I'm sure Floyd will want to chime in with come conspiracy angle (because he cant resist both bashing the National CP and anyone affiliated with it, and getting the last word) the fact remains - when someone posts fake/false announcements it puts them in a category of "questionable". If I were on the Exec Committee, I certainly wouldn't vote to take action to remove/replace JR until I received an indisputable resignation.

Would you?

FWW said...

It bears repeating:

*What you are trying to do, Blazek, is to cover up the ongoing LIES on the national website at least since August 2018 regarding Idaho as a ballot qualified member state party within the national CP.

FWW said...

Oh, and yeah. One more thing: Screw you Blazek.

John - CP MO said...

Cody Quirk said...

"Fyi Chris, the CP doesn't always update their website right away."

Cody, you are correct.
Your observation also speaks to Floyd's objection.
The old web page - dated 2018 - was accurate as of the date it was published.
It makes no false claims. It simply hasn't been updated and while that vexes Floyd, it certainly doesn't indicate a conspiracy or coverup.

Sorry Floyd, I truly intended to let you have the last word, but I didn't get this added in my response before you jumped in.

mea culpa

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FWW said...

*It simply hasn't been updated...so Blazek NOW says.

And of course, as long as it "simply" hasn't been, then you (plural) can continue to pretend that you have greater ballot access than you actually do, a greater total registered voter base than you actually do...and so on.

I agree with you Blazek, in that this is really quite "simple".

The national CP has an interest in the ongoing misrepresentation of its ACTUAL total number of ballot qualified states...so, you invent some new "requirements" and stall and delay telling the truth.

You asked above, Blazek...

*Now, similarly, is there any requirement for national to remove affiliate status from otherwise credentialed states that withhold official notification of disaffiliation?

Is that requirement NOT self evident? If it isn't, then why not just "simply" invent the total number of a ballot qualified states in the national CP altogether?

Why not just "simply" have the national CP declare upon its official website that it is ballot qualified in ALL 50 states?...since there's "no requirement" to tell the truth (after these NINE months of your national party's false reports) about the ACTUAL number of ballot qualified states?

Look, Blazek. If ANY funds were raised in the interim during which the national CP has misrepresented it ACTUAL ballot qualified states, I should think that would constitute federal fund raising under false pretenses. How about you?

As I read the FEC material, they continue (as do I) to emphasize: "a knowing and willful violation of this Act".

As we speak, CP-Idaho is reviewing our options to assert our full rights as a regional ballot qualified political party that has, without ANY shadow of doubt, disaffiliated from what is "simply" a corrupted organization.

The national CP was indeed informed by its OWN REPRESENTATIVE immediately at the Mountain Home state convention. But apparently you (plural) do not believe in representative governance.

You (plural) "simply" don't want to tell the truth because, by "officially" continuing to lie about the ACTUAL number of ballot qualified states, you can deceive contributors, fool some more?

Just because you boys like to wear inflated codpieces and pretend you're studs, sure don't make none of you manly. In fact, I'd say the reverse was true.

Fear not, Blazek. We're looking at a "formal" complaint.

Oh, and since you mentioned it--**Sorry Floyd, I truly intended to let you have the last word...

Actually, I already deferred and gave YOU the last word, being so polite. But realizing you are too dull to get the wry humor of it, I'll repeat it:

*Oh, and yeah. One more thing: Screw you Blazek.

FWW said...

How to prove that Blazek is a liar? Consider this comparable pair of quotes:

Blazek: "Given your refusal to notify the party Chair and Secretary of your disaffiliation, why do you denounce the party for leaving Idaho on their website as an affiliate?" [May 17, 2019 at 8:35 AM]

{Ignoring his unfounded accusation of my "refusal" and and equally unfounded accusation that the national CP Chair was "not" notified), clearly the gentleman ADMITS that he is aware that the national CP has kept Idaho on their website as an affiliate. He certainly references it.}

Blazek: "And, not only have I not "admitted that national is continuing to use IdahoCp as an affiliate", I have actually denied any knowledge of any such thing." [May 17, 2019 at 2:55 PM]

{Equally clear, the gentleman subsequently DENIES "any" knowledge that national is continuing to use CP-Idaho as an affiliate...a mere 6 hours later! He knows that the national website is continuing to count CP-Idaho as an affiliate, and yet he still goes on to deny that the national CP is counting CP-Idaho as an affiliate.}

To borrow from Blazek, his posts have sure "made for an interesting read and gave everyone a peek inside" HIM...and inside the national CP.

Blazek (now a demonstrable liar) continues to claim (state, allege, allude or imply) that CP-Idaho has either "not" notified the national CP, or not done so "officially"...at least as he styles it. WE just haven't jumped through whatever hoops Blazek "thinks" are proper or official.

Fluckiger was indeed notified..."officially". In fact, he was notified from the floor of the 2018 State Convention itself, by phone, as soon as the vote results were known.

Blazek wants to throw the onus upon CP-Idaho. He should be placing the blame on Fluckiger and his executive committee.

I note that a pending South Dakota lawsuit has been launched against the whole of the national CP's leaders and lackies. $100 million. Whew! It names names...all of 'em.

The national CP probably doesn't need another one to compound it.



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John - CP MO said...

Floyd,

I ignored your childish rants and taunts. They were the transparent attempts of a bitter and angry man to get me to respond on your level. They failed.

However, I underestimated the depths of your depravity. I underestimated just how unethical you actually are and how low you were willing to go. I'm not easily stunned, but you have now accomplished that. For someone who claims to be Christian to selectively cut and paste, out of context, and to so grossly twist and misrepresent what was said, as you just did, is profound and mind boggling.

To wit:

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"Given your refusal to notify the party Chair and Secretary of your disaffiliation, why do you denounce the party for leaving Idaho on their website as an affiliate?" [May 17, 2019 at 8:35 AM]

{Ignoring his unfounded accusation of my "refusal" and and equally unfounded accusation that the national CP Chair was "not" notified), clearly the gentleman ADMITS that he is aware that the national CP has kept Idaho on their website as an affiliate. He certainly references it.}
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I did no such thing. I referenced "your accusing them of keeping Idaho on their website as an affiliate".
Are you not "denouncing the party for leaving Idaho on their website as an affiliate?" Is that not your claim? Is that not your accusation?

Referencing your accusation does not mean I accept it or acknowledge any validity to the accusation.

In spite of all of your whining and carrying on about the CP claiming Idaho as an affiliate, you know very well that they are not. You know very well that the "affiliate" page shows JR as the contact for Idaho.

As for the issue of an outdated ballot access page, which was accurate when it was published and had not been updated by the webmaster. It contained no reference to your state party at all. For all you know, we may very well have ballot access in Idaho via another party. However, it clearly bothers you that there was a small blotch of green color on an out dated webpage. And, the word on the street is 'if Floyd ain't happy, then ain't nobody happy.. even though Floyd is never happy'...

So I've done my small part to bring a small amount of sunshine into your day. I contacted your former state party chairman and asked him to please remove the Green from Idaho for you. He expressed surprise that he had not updated that page recently and immediately changed the color for Idaho. As before, the state affiliate page for Idaho has not contained any reference to your party for some time.

Floyd,

As you have shown zero regard for the truth and have no problem completely twisting and misrepresenting what I say, there is no reason to respond to you further.

Hate corrupts the vessel in which it is contained.
It appears that your vessel is compromised and the hatred is pouring out.
This explains why IdahoCP voter registration is down.
I will certainly add you to my prayers, sir.
You have my deepest sympathy, my sincere pity and, of course my forgiveness.

Be Blessed and try to find some peace in your life.

FWW said...

Blazek: "I did no such thing. I referenced "your accusing them of keeping Idaho on their website as an affiliate".

Ah, here we go again, Blazek, you adding words to change meanings, you lying through your teeth to deceive, you pulling peas out from under the walnut shells and swearing you got "honest game," and then you making some irrelevant conclusion regarding your deliberate changed meanings.

Look. Blazek, these ARE your words: "Given your refusal to notify the party Chair and Secretary of your disaffiliation, why do you denounce the party for leaving Idaho on their website as an affiliate?" [May 17, 2019 at 8:35 AM]

Fist, I am not "accusing" the corrupted national CP of keeping Idaho on their website as an affiliate. I am telling you that they are. That is in evidence, prima facie.

Second, about your changed meanings, you allege I "refuse" to notify the party chair.

Having shown you to be a demonstrable liar, Blazek, I have no problem telling you that you lie again.

(1) I have not "refused" to notify the Chair of CP-Idaho's disaffiliation.
(2) The Chair WAS notified DIRECTLY by phone call from the floor of the 2018 State Convention immediately following the announced decision of the assembly, just as soon as the assembly took a brief recess following the vote count before the lunch break.
(3) Besides, show me where in the national bylaws, Blazek, the national CP can DEMAND any specific format for the notification of disaffiliation by a state convention.
(4) The fact is, Mr. Fluckiger was indeed directly notified; and if he is claiming otherwise, then he too is a liar.
(5) You keep trying to introduce "written" and "formal" in your deceptive attempts to condemn CP-Idaho's ACTUAL notification to the national party of our disaffiliation almost in real time, directly to the so-called national chairman. Again SHOW me in your national bylaws WHERE it says any such requirement exists?
(6) At this point, we do not "owe" you anything, and certainly not a "written" notice. Why? Because it is (a) Not necessary; and (b) is redundant, because we already HAVE notified your party; (c) you just don't like the format of our notification and are now constructing lies about "refusing" this, or not doing that; (d) and besides, apparently once we send in THAT format, you and yours will find some other reason or excuse or lie to deny it.

It may not matter to you, Blazek, but if your party insists on continuing its false and misleading claims that somehow CP-Idaho remains an affiliate of the national party, your national party will have to lose than Idaho, of that be certain.

FWW said...

Blazek: "Floyd, As you have shown zero regard for the truth and have no problem completely twisting and misrepresenting what I say, there is no reason to respond to you further."

First of all, I agree with you. You have no reason.

I do want to point out the clever sleights of hand you attempted here, however, so that the readers may be apprised of the level of semantic (or rhetorical) deception that you (pural) practice.

I also have no problem calling you a hypocrite, either...as for "zero regard for the truth".

Above, Blazek says this: "Floyd, When you add words to something, you change the meaning."
[May 17, 2019 at 2:55 PM]

So, what does the epitome of integrity do?...the exact thing he accuses me of doing.

Example: I was asked (and Blazek even repeats it verbatim: "Has IdahoCP ever send an official notification to the national party that it disaffiliated from national?"

To which Blazek stipulates: "Floyd replied "Yes, via Mr. Myers, acting as Western States Area Chairman"

Now look at how the demonstrable liar Blazek "changed" the meaning by adding his word "written," by his rhetorical sleight of hand.

Blazek then asks: "JR, did you (as Floyd asserts) provide official and formal written notification and documentation to national"

He's talking about two very different things, is he not? And do you know the worst part? He's already ADMITTED that he understands the deception that slipping these kinds of subtle changes from added words creates...because he attacked me for using the word "only".

And here, I would make two other notes on Blazek's deceitful semantics...

John - CP MO said...

Floyd said "because he attacked me for using the word "only"."

By demonstrating that you understand my objection, you are simultaneously acknowledging that you understand that your subtle rewording and reinterpreteting and misrepresentations are wrong. Until your last post it was simply my assertion. Now it is established that you do understand what you were doing and that it was not accidental.

Thank you for finally admitting and acknowledging that you both playing with semantics and are aware of what you are doing.

Again, you are forgiven my brother.

Be Blessed and try to find happiness and peace.

FWW said...

Here's my original quote, which Blazek attacks to attempt to score points.

"The most galling thing about Blazek is he continues to repeat this bull about how CP-Idaho has only announced disaffiliation via "blogs" and internet chat."

It was to this statement, Blazek issued his irrelevant so-called rebuttal..."When you add words to something, you change the meaning. At no point have I made any such claim that you "only" announced via blogs and internet chat."

Right, he just implies it over and over and over. That's not the rhetorical point I want to make, however, nor is his "denial" of knowing whether the national CP was still using CP-Idaho as an affiliate on its website.

A little further down his vacuous and inane commentary, Blazek says: "I'm left to ponder, by misquoting me and misrepresenting what I have said..."

"Misquoting". That has a meaning. Misquoting? I said "he continues to repeat this bull about how CP-Idaho has only announced disaffiliation via "blogs" and internet chat."

First, that's an observational statement about the impression that Blazzek wants to create [i.e. that CP-Idaho has exclusively (only) relied upon blogs to announce our disaffiliation.] In any case, where's the misquote? For that matter, where's the quote?

Second, Blazek's commentary had as its aim an attempt to divide. You can see that above plainly, and I need not delineate the technique. But I will say, that is why he tried to pit my statements against J.R. Or better said, once he added a word or two, pit my statements against J.R.

Blazek is a dirty liar in any case. I've proven it. He is the perfect spokesman for a dirty political party.

FWW said...

Bullshit Blaxzek: You say: "By demonstrating that you understand my objection, you are simultaneously acknowledging..."

You opened your friggin mouth too soon, cowboy. Read on.

FWW said...

Blazek, you know more about lying than I could even know, even if I had two lifetimes. As for Blazek being a hypocrite, I would add the word "inconstant".

Says Blazek: "I say, there is no reason to respond to you further." And yet he persists.

In any case, Aye! Slainte! We are in agreement. I agree that Blazek has shown "no reason" in any of his posts...beyond his lust to deceive and cover up, play shell games that are rigged, and of course kiss the ass of every national CP executive committee member still squatting.

Tag, big boy. Yer IT.

FWW said...

Well, well, well. Wonders never cease.

I had the "sense" or "feeling" given the change in Blazek's mess, that I probably needed to go back and recheck the national CP website ballot access map. Voila! I had his pulse, believe me.

Anyhow, it FINALLY looks like the national CP has relented and corrected its ballot access map to reflect the truth...at least partially.

Idaho is finally no longer included in the national CP's falsified ballot qualification map, after these nearly ten months of misrepresentation by the national CP...and after some "animated" (er, "pointed") language on my part.

Is there hope that the national CP can actually reform itself?

Honestly? Probably not. It was an act of self preservation, draggin' 'em kicking and screaming so to speak.

One last thing...hey Cody Quirk, thanks for letting me run a little outside the lines on yer blog page here. Out.